Hollywood owes its origins to the film industry of New York. In order to escape Thomas Edison’s monopoly and the unsuitable climate of New York, film companies began to move to California at the turn of the 20th century. Naturally, they continued to cast actors from New York and the rest of the East, where the Northeastern Elite accent was used. They also began to attract actors from Europe. During the so-called Golden Age, there were indeed many English actors, as well as all the continental Europeans who had probably learnt English on a British model. The non-rhotic actors simply outnumbered the rhotic ones.
According to the fictitious account, old Hollywood films were un-American and snobbish. This is a revisionist, obtuse and patronising view. Cinema is art and as such it reflects society. The Hollywood films of the 30s featured a lot of upper-class speech because their storylines tended to revolve around the upper classes. But this was to change. Rhotic speakers formed the majority of the population, and by the 50s they’d established themselves in the mass media, including Hollywood. Rhoticity became the standard in American speech and a symbol of prestige.
As society changed, so did cinema. Indeed, the film industry itself began to promote popular culture, shaping the values of middle-class America.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
I absolutely love the transatlantic accent. I have a number of old black-and-white movies on my YouTube playlist, and among my favorites are the old horror movies with Bella Lugosi. This was a pleasure to read!
I like the transatlantic accent as well. What do you think of the claims that it's a fake accent?
IDGAF 😎 I like it either way 🤣
Got it 😂.
Thank you for sharing. It's very interesting to learn about the old movie actors' accent. Once I asked their accent my American friend. He explained about it, but he didn't say about the history. In Japan the old movie actors speaking way is different from us too. Both the American and Japanese actors in old films sound sophisticated to me because they don't use any swear words at all.
I had no idea what the mid-atlantic accent was like, so I looked it up on YouTube: "mid-atlantic accent Bela Lugosi." I found it very similar to the accent my junior high English teacher used. Finally I understand why he spoke in such a dramatic way.
@yumiyumayume This is a very complicated issue in Italy. If I focus only on the Italian language, then I can say with certainty that actors in old Italian films—even from the 30s—speak just like we do today. Of course, their vocabulary is slightly more sophisticated. There are specific reasons for this. I may write a post about this topic in the future.
Hi, @Simone- . It's very interesting. My image of old Italian movies are like Spaghetti Westerns, Sophia Loren ( she is not old maybe) and so on. I think in the old movies, most of people are wearing suits or dresses even though they are at home. I think this makes us think they are little bit more sophisticated too. I'm looking forward to reading your post about the topic.
Let me clarify something: Bela Lugosi didn't have a transatlantic accent — he had a strong Hungarian accent. It's the other actors in his movies that had the transatlantic accent.
@CocoPop . Since I was curious about Bela Lugosi's accent because I've never listened to a Hungarian accent, I watched a very short film of Dracula. His accent sounded like one of my American friends' hubby from Iraq.
Bela Lugosi was far from RP. He had a full-blown Hungarian accent.
@yumiyumayume Yes, he had a beautiful accent and pitch. That's one of the most mesmerizing things about him. And it's ironic that what the English-speaking world considers the quintessential "Dracula accent" isn't at all Romanian but rather Hungarian thanks to him 😜
@CocoPop I haven't the foggiest what you're talking about 👀
I'm saying that anyone who listens to Bela Lugosi will not hear one trace of RP. His phonology is purely Hungarian... and not just the sounds but the intonation as well. (You watched my video!👍🏻🤩)
Please, you should read my comment again. Tell me where I said he had an RP accent. 👀
@Simone- You changed something. Before it said that his English was influenced by RP, no? That's why I repeated RP in my comment 😅
If you can't prove it, it never happened🤷♂️.
True! 😜
@Simone- I have a question. Was Tarzan's English (Johnny Weissmuller) Rothic or non-Rothic?
Tarzan's accent was rhotic and Jane's accent was e-rhotic 😂
@Coral I've never watched the film, so I can't tell you. But if we apply the logic that non-rhotic accents were appropriate for high class characters, I'd say that Tarzan's accent is rhotic.
Edit: Please don't tell me that Tarzan doesn't speak a word in the film🙈.
@CocoPop e-rhotic...mmh...so that means that she was electric! Ba dum tss.
While I was sleeping, the conversation really picked up. I'm glad to know that for native speakers, accents don't matter much. What @CocoPop said makes it sound like he's attracted to the Hungarian actor, and that pitch is more important. Anyway, I'll still try to improve my accent. I've never watched Tarzan, @Coral. I'd like to understand how different Tarzan and Jane's English are. It would be funny if Tarzan's English sounded sophisticated.
@yumiyumayume i’m going to find my favorite Bela Lugosi line in his movies and post it. You be the judge 😉
@Simone- Jane had a heavy transatlantic accent. I can’t tell if Tarzan was rhotic, but I think one of his “Tarzan” had an r. https://youtu.be/bxSzcWLIhiQ?si=a8Edtp--4onOWscB
@CocoPop . I'm looking forward to it!
@yumiyumayume Here it is: https://youtu.be/_Pr7zysHS-o?si=Hi0fUf1utUtnxwej&t=2629
@CocoPop I must admit that Tarzan is so eloquent in his speech that he leaves you spellbound.
@Simone- what can I say — some people just have the gift of gab.
@CocoPop . I listened to his English, and he has strong r sound in his English, but that's it. Wow, I totally agree with you. Thank you for sharing!
@CocoPop
Alright, I get it. I find it easier to follow the transatlantic accent than a realistic British or American accent. My junior high English teacher must have been a fan of Bela Lugosi.
@Akiko Does this mean that your teacher hypnotised students during class?
@Simone- Yep, we were so hypnotized that we couldn't comprehend the class content.
@Akiko 🤣